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Marble Weights

You are given a set of scales and 12 marbles. The scales are of the old balance variety. That is, a small dish hangs from each end of a rod that is balanced in the middle. The device enables you to conclude either that the contents of the dishes weigh the same or that the dish that falls lower has heavier contents than the other.
The 12 marbles appear to be identical. In fact, 11 of them are identical, and one is of a different weight. Your task is to identify the unusual marble and discard it. You are allowed to use the scales three times if you wish, but no more.

Note that the unusual marble may be heavier or lighter than the others. You are asked to both identify it and determine whether it is heavy or light.

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folcklord about 4 hours ago
kuleshs 17 days ago
kinquo about 1 month ago
jvwert 9 months ago

Form three (3) main groups – each containing 1 and 3 coin sub-groups. Place one main group on each pan of a two pan balance – the third main group on the table. Observe the condition of the balance. This is the first weighing.

Rotate the 3 coin sub-groups (from pan A to the table, pan B to pan A, and from the table to pan B. Observe the condition of the balance. (second weighing).

If there is a change, it will identify the 3 coin group that contains the odd coin and its relative weight. In this case, clear the area of all other coins. Split this group into single coins, placing two on the pans of the balance. This willl be the third weighing and will identify the odd coin. We already know its relative weight. Problem solved.

If there is no change, one of the single coins (two of which are already on the pans of the balance) is the odd coin. In this case, rotate the single coins. This will be the third weighing an will identify the odd coin and its relative weight. Problem solved.

hugh 9 months ago contains spoiler (show)
edtd 11 months ago

just noticed jezek linked to the answer already. weird that this puzzle is rated 8.29 and the other is only 6.94…

edtd 11 months ago contains spoiler (show)
jezek 11 months ago

never mind … it is revealed …
http://www.mindcipher.net/puzzle/37-12-identical-balls

jezek 11 months ago

yeah, the explanation is false …
i can give you the right answer/explanation if you want. :)

pblood 11 months ago contains spoiler (show)
ahaselhu 11 months ago contains spoiler (show)
kaja_clair about 1 year ago

oh crap, forget the second of all.

kaja_clair about 1 year ago

first of all, the question is about marbles, and the answer is about coins. my second of all has a spoiler, so it’ll be in a different comment.

relientseraphim about 1 year ago

There is an incredibly similar riddle on this site already.